The Heart of Owl and Talon Creek

It was the spring of 2004, and I was poring over an old Western Canada Wilderness Committee (WCWC) map when four simple words caught my eye: Owl and Talon Creek. The name alone sounded intriguing enough, but there was also a grove of trees there called the Pipe Organ Firs. Recently, I’d had the chance to meet Ralf Kelman, perhaps  British Columbia’s most established tree hunter, and he had told me about  all the trees in the Seymour River Valley he had rediscovered. Owl and Talon Creek, he said, was not to be missed. The Douglas Firs there were as straight, true, and tall as any he’d seen. One in particular, the Will Koop Giant, was nearly eight feet in diameter and over five centuries old! Then, he added, with a smile, “There’s an incredible canyon there that you need to see!”

A map of the Seymour Valley Trailway area

In order to locate the “trail”, you have to make your way to just past the 7 km mark on the Seymour Valley Trailway, after a bridge over the creek. Generally speaking, I almost always take my bike when exploring the valley because that way you can save yourself a lot of time. These days, there isn’t much to distinguish the trailhead other than the remains of a fair sized cedar stump. If you can find the old flagging, it will lead you westward about a hundred metres before turning left and swinging  southward toward Pipe Organ Grove.

Not far from the road is this massive erratic boulder, and at one time a four hundred year old cedar grew atop it!…photo by Rich Sobel

Will Koop, by the way, was a key figure in the conservation history of the Greater Vancouver watersheds. He was involved in an organization called SPEC, or Society Promoting Environmental Conservation. Will played a crucial role as a watchdog, exposing the activities that were taking place in what was then called the Seymour Demonstration Forest, as well as the Capilano and Seymour Watersheds. He was particularly concerned that timber harvesting was endangering Vancouver’s water supply. Since the watersheds have always been off limits to the general public, much of this occurred out of sight, out of mind, but I have distinct memories of regularly seeing logging trucks loaded with old growth timber on the old Seymour Mainline back in the 1980s and early 1990s. In the end, Will’s efforts, along with those of Ralf Kelman and the WCWC, paid off. Logging was banned in the watersheds in 1999, officially, though it actually ceased before that. The former Seymour Demonstration Forest, now controlled by the Greater Vancouver Regional District (GVRD), has changed not only in philosophy, but in name as well. It is now known as the Lower Seymour Conservation Reserve, or LSCR. The forests of the Seymour Valley are now fully protected!

An excerpt of the old WCWC map. The newer Seymour Valley Trailway, not shown here, runs roughly parallel and to the left of the old mainline. On this map Owl and Talon Creek is mislabeled as Mayers Creek



The Sentinels are the first trees you will likely see first…photo by Rich Sobel
Douglas firs in the Pipe Organ Grove have reached over 400 years in age and seven feet in diameter!
Pipe Organ Firs



Late spring is a nice time to visit, when the Bigleaf Maples are in leaf
Looking up into the forest canopy

The Pipe Organ Grove is a truly remarkable group of Douglas Firs, notable especially for their height. Firs like these become tall first, before attaining girth, relatively speaking. Many of these giants have reached over 250 feet tall, at ages of less than four hundred years. During the age of harvest, this valley was targeted for its massive Western Red Cedars, and that may explain why the firs here escaped the saws of twentieth century logging. Ralf Kelman refers to these trees as the next generation of super firs, and it was not that long ago that 300 foot firs were commonplace in the North Shore Mountains. Indeed, there are reports that a 400 foot fir was cut in neighbouring Lynn Valley’s Hastings Creek  drainage at the turn of the last century. Imagine that grandeur!

Steve enjoying the Pipe Organ Grove, in 2017
Trees like these seem to exude strength, it seems

The Will Koop Giant is a narrative in itself. I have had the fortune to see it frequently while it was still standing, but unfortunately, it was toppled in a storm sometime between 2007 and 2009.  In a sad twist of irony, I found it to be almost as magnificent even as it lay on the forest floor as it was when it still stood. I visited the fallen giant  several years ago with Steve, and we took turns walking the entire length of the trunk, which had created a huge clearing in the forest. While it was sobering to see this tree on the ground, at least there was the consolation that it had given itself completely to the soil, so completing its circle of life.

The Will Koop Giant in 2005….photo by Rich Sobel


Rich, working his way up Owl and Talon’s dry creek bed, 2005
Me, in the lower creek bed, 2007…photo by Doug Pope


Bigleaf Maples line the lower part of the creek gully
The North Shore Mountains are no stranger to precarious ground, as this photo illustrates…photo by Rich Sobel

Should you decide to hike further, to the cliffs above, you’ll notice a change as you gain elevation. Almost suddenly, you can hear the sounds of running water beneath the creek bed, and soon pools of crystal clear water and tiny cascades emerge. The canyon is lined with abundant foliage, and if you look upward, the sight of the granite walls is somewhat intimidating. In short order, you’ll reach the site of a break in the cliffs where a modest waterfall sprays down the rock face.

These granite pools have some of the best tasting water around!


This shot gives you an idea of the terrain. Janie and Rich seen here following up the canyon in 2005

Once you’ve climbed your way into this seldom seen gulch, you’ll quickly appreciate that you’re in a rarified company. In all my exploration of the North Shore Mountains, I’ve never come across anything quite like it! In and amongst the granite, there are wildflowers I normally have seen at higher elevations, for example, and a number of uncommon ferns grow there. It’s clear that the geological forces that fashioned Owl and Talon Canyon are still very much alive and well, and you will most assuredly get the message that it’s not a place you want to be during extreme weather!



At the cliff base there is evidence that during heavy rains there may be more than one stream path
It’s really an unforgettable place to be! Rich and Janie enjoying lunch in this photo, back in 2005!
Clusters of Arnica growing in the rock, 2017



Weeping granite walls make the most subtle sounds


We’ve made several attempts over the years to climb these cliffs, but usually with limited time, or due to a variety of other circumstances, we haven’t prepared well enough to succeed so far. That doesn’t mean I’ve abandoned the mission, it just means it hasn’t been completed yet! Any determined and experienced climber would savour the reward of an expansive view, I’m certain!

We now believe this to be the best approach. The tree cover at right is steep, but might yield a way up with persistence
A closer look at the area of interest

Of course, whether or not one summits the cliff bands does not detract much from the true spirit of the adventure. Most will be quite content to take in the surroundings and enjoy just being there, as I know I always have. It’s a most unique corner of the world, and the base of the falls sits at under 600m in elevation. There are plenty of things to investigate along the creek bed and near the many rock pools, as well.


Shaded canyon walls
Crystal clear waters of the creek…photo by Doug Pope


Even the waterfall there is something of an oddity. It seems logically formed by erosion, as of course water naturally finds the path of least resistance, but rock slides above may contribute to its unusual appearance. The spray gives the optical illusion of being angular as opposed to vertical, perhaps due to the unusually narrow opening the water channels through.


Rich descending the canyon, 2005
Flowers in the creek channel near Pipe Organ Grove
Steve and the fallen Will Koop Giant


Steve had brought a pair of hammocks, and after we walked the canyon, we set up camp right below the Pipe Organ Grove, just to wile away another hour or so. It occurred to me at the time that as much as I had explored the valley,  I’d seldom taken the time to linger there. As we spent those minutes staring at the treetops and listening to the calls of birds, I remember thinking that this would always be a place I’d never fully leave, for a piece of my heart would always be there. It’s my belief that that nature provides opportunities like this for us every day, and that I could only wish that everyone would be fortunate enough to realize the importance they present. It is time spent in nature that has the power to rejuvenate us, and enriches our souls in ways we don’t completely comprehend. Those moments are among the life’s greatest of rewards!


A pretty good place to spend an afternoon!
Another huge boulder!

*******Author’s Note*******

I hope that by sharing this story, many others might have the chance to explore this truly special place. To be honest, it was my belief for a number of years, that perhaps it was too fragile to publicize its existence, but as time persisted, my feeling changed. It would be a shame if others never had the opportunity to experience Owl and Talon Creek, and see it as I have. I simply ask, should you choose to visit, that you leave absolutely no trace when you depart. It is a unique and rugged landscape, yet it’s also considerably vulnerable, so treat it with the utmost respect. I also recommend wearing a climbing helmet, due to the risk of rock slides. On my early excursions I didn’t, and I now acknowledge that not doing so was an unnecessary risk. Be mindful and prepared, as this is a wilderness experience!

Steve contemplating the end of a fine day





6 thoughts on “The Heart of Owl and Talon Creek”

  1. What a beautiful story, Mick! And I am honoured to have had you share this special place with me. Was it really almost 15 years ago! Wow, how time flies. Maybe we should revisit it together the next time you come back to town 🙂

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